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Sat 14th October 2017 16:08 by Ben Rigsby
Thanks very much for the help Peter.

I will take another look there when i get a moment and see if i can find one.



Sat 7th October 2017 17:37 by Peter Harvey
Re: Requesting spider ID thoughts please
Yes, this is Meta, either Meta menardi or M. bourneti. The difference is in details of the adult male palp or the adult female epigyne, and these will be almost impossible to see with any certainly with a lens. Palps are 3-dimensional and the structural differences are unlikely to be clear with a lens, the epigynes are obscured by hairs and subadult menardi especially would be very similar to bourneti. This is true even under a microscope if the lack of a fully adult epigyne is not appreciated.

If you revisit the site and can collect an adult spider and send to me (alive) in a small plastic container with a little dampened tissue inside (cave spiders need humid conditions) inside a padded envelope I can determine which species. Peter Harvey, 32 Lodge Lane, Grays, Essex RM16 2YP (National Organiser, Spider Recording Scheme).

Sat 7th October 2017 11:02 by Ben Rigsby
Requesting spider ID thoughts please
Hello all

I wouldn't be surprised if i get no ID agreements/other suggestions or comments for my post here:

So i wondered if anyone here would mind giving their thoughts on this beautiful spider please?

Also, if this is indeed Meta, (and in case i see this spider again), how are the 2 similar species separated in the field? I normally carry a hand lens.

I can supply a 10 fig grid ref for this observation if requested. All the other details that i have or know of the sighting are included in the above post (should you want take this as a record).

I see there aren't many records for either species but can easily revisit this site for another look/better photos sometime, as it's not far from me.

Many thanks

Ben Area Co-ordinator Stroud and Gloucester, Gloucestershire Amphibian and Reptile Group (Glos ARG) Member, Cotswold Fungus Group and Field Ecologist

Sun 1st October 2017 15:50 by Peter Harvey
Your record has already been added to the recording scheme database, many thanks for the details.
Sun 1st October 2017 15:10 by Sheila Hamilton-Dyer
Re: Synageles
Excellent! Thanks Peter. So, if this is juvenile we may have a group as there was another in the kitchen today - unless they have a homing instinct of more than a few yards and under the door!  Will someone be able to mark this as a new location record? I know the point n shoot are not good with such a tiny subject but it looked spot on to the eye and behaviour is so good - you see them zigzagging about, if you put a finger close they jump round to face you with typical spider eyes but standing up ant-style, then they give the game away by silk abseiling as you shift them out on a scrap of paper!
Sun 1st October 2017 10:40 by Peter Harvey
Re: Synageles venator NEW RECORD?
This certainly appears to be a juvenile Synageles venator (there are several other very similar European species not currently known in Britain). In Essex Synageles venator appears to have been turning up much more widely near the Thames in recent years and in a variety of habitats far from typical or with any obvious relationship to its expected habitat. The reasons for this are probably either climatic or genetic, and worth study.

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